What do you do when your under fire? Blame the players of course!
By: Musab | October 27th, 2008As the criticism of Skibbe mounts in intensity, Herr Skibbe and Adnan Bey have decided to take the easy route and strike out at the players and blame them for Sunday’s embaressing 4-2 loss to lowly Eskisehirspor. Skibbe hastold hi splayers that there was no excuse for their poor performances and that they could not complain about being exausted from the intense week they just went through.
I agree that the players performances’ were terrible, but is Skibbe completely free from blame? Hell no! After using a very succesful lineup against Trabzon and Olympiakos, Skibbe decided to return to a double forward system with Nonda coming in for Lincoln. Why did the Skibbe do this? It’s a basic rule in football that if it’s not broken, don’t touch it.
If you are going to play two forwards, why would you play Nonda? We all know that Nonda, while a great player in different ways, is very slow and there would be no way he could cope with the energetic Eskisehir defense. Why not play Umit Karan, or even the youngster Yaser Yildiz. Which brings me to another point…
If Skibbe knew anything about the Turkish league its that the Anatolian teams play “to the death” against the big teams in their own stadiums. Our foreign players are for the most part, slow and unmotivated to the degree that our opponents are. So why not play the youngsters? (You can find youngsters in the youth academy so don’t tell me there all injured) Im sure Yaser would have done everything he could to get his first league goal against Eskisehir. It’s obvious that after months of being in charge of the team, Skibbe still does not fully comprehend how the Turkish league works.
Of course the players are also to blame, but it’s becoming more and more obvious that there dip in form is due to Skibbe’s poor management of the team. This year discipline has completely broken down. We have seen players almost going fist on fist against each other (Lincoln and the team idiot Sabri), we have seen players completely disrespect the refreees desicions (Arda, Umit, Ayhan), and a complete lack of a captain (Umit was injured, Hasan’s career has been ended by his surgery, and Ayhan’s total inability to lead this team to greater things).
Skibbe is too young and inexperienced for this job. Last year we had Hakan Sukur, Okan Buruk, and Hasan Sas all working together to make sure the team did their best to win. After their departure the board (once again) failed to fill in their place. I think it’s time for another fresh change. We need someone who can lead this club out of love for the club, and with the knowledge to actually win. We need someone who knows what it means to put on that yellow-red and get out and play. We need a CimBom legend.
Possible candidates:
1. Arif Erdem- Asisstant manager at I.B.B. to Abdullah Avci. Has learned much from Avci’s intelligent aggressive play and it might be time for him to move on to full managership. Maybe a move first to an Anatolian team is necessary.
2. Suat Kaya- Manager of Orduspor and led Ordu on a succesful campaign in last year’s campaign in the second league, only narrowly missing out on promotion. Has been working with many young Galatasaray players.
3. Bulent Korkmaz- Has already managed Kayeri Erciyesspor, Bursaspor, and Genclerbirligi, resigning every time. Almost achieved the impossible with Erciyes, taking them from a terrible first half to just missing out on staying in the league. Made great trasnfers and played very agressive football with Bursa after resigning after a spell on unlucky defeats. Currently attending professional courses in England.
4. Tolunay Kafkas- Current manager of Kayserispor. Continued Ertugrul Saglam’s succesful side and won the 2008 Turkish Cup. Is succesful against big clubs and is a very stern tactician but understands the hearts and minds of his players. My pick for the job.
5. Hakan Sukur- Just because that’s what the fans want.
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bulent is almost definatly returning to galatasaray, his love for this club is to immense to not come back. i can tell you now that we will see him on the bench at aslantepe motivating his team whether it be as an assistant or head manager, i think arif or hakan sukur need to come in and teach yaser, aydin, and paf strikers what it is really all about, they can even teach baros a few things. i do think skibbe is getting to much blame and that his players didn’t take this game seriously, even though that’s his job to motivate them, the players need to realize by themselves how important these sort of games are. players now a days expect to get everything from others.
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Great post Utku- I also expect Bulent to come back and really lead this team to great places, sorta like what Fatih Terim did.
I agree that the Galatasaray board have a really big plan for the future- the Telekom Arena, the buckets of cash that are coming in soon, raising the new youngsters, and bringing in Bulent to tie everything together.
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. seems like a story book tale but it would be my dream come true, only thing left is for me to go and see the derby with 50,000 cimbom supporters behind me but does anybody really know what hakan sukur is doing now a days? i know he wants to move over here to get his kids a better education and i think he would rather do that than to teach young galatasaray strikers and i respect him for that, but what is his stance as of now for this job? i haven’t heard any talk about it. i think arif would like to come to galatasaray but he needs to finish this season at ibbs and learn a few more things, if he became an assistant for the turkey national team or a big 3 team.
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Last I heard, Hakan’s gonna sign a 6-million dollar contract with a club from Qatar, probably Al-Sadd…
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Bulent was a great captain but a disaster as a manager. Hakan Sukur would be the Alan Shearer effect and totally unhealthy as a manager. The question I have to ask is why after three 4-1 victories a 3-0 victory over the League leaders, success in the UEFA Cup is everyone calling for Skibbes head. We are 8 games into a 36 match season, remember two years ago when FB were 9 points clear and GS still won the League with Gerets in charge…..and what were you saying about him shortly afterwards!!!! Why are we so arrogant we expect to win all games, its not possible people and who’s to say that once the injured players get back that the team will not string together 10 victories. What makes soccer the best game in the world is the uncertainty, of course I want GS to win but do you really think any world class coach will come to a team where they get no choice in the payers and despite having the best goal difference and the best chance of any Turkish Team of success in Europe the fans, or so called fans call for your head as do the myopic and moronic local media.
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Oh and if Skibbe is too young and inexperienced you can also strike Arif, Bulent, Suat and Hakan from your list they are all younger or as young as him…….get your facts right and be coherent in your argument at least.
And yes the players should take some of the blame, but do you actually watch the matches. The second goal yesterday was being flagged offside by the linesman and the ref overruled it, despite that being the correct decision. Players got annoyed as would anyone. The third goal was clearly offside as well. Arda spent the entire match having the crap kicked out of him and then acted like an asshole. There’s nothing a coach can do about that!
I do agree with you that Ayhan is not a captain, I mean when the full squad is fit his place in the team is not guaranteed.
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And why did Skibbe replace Lincoln with Nonda, it was probably because Lincoln was suspended as a result of his red card against Trabzon.
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Arif, Bulent, Suat, and Hakan all know the Turkish league better than anyone alive. I think I know what i’m writing Gulay.
Yes I do watch the matches, and I don’t know what you saw, but I saw an entire team of idiots surrounding and attacking the referee, as well as many curses being flung around at him (a red card offense last I checked). I don’t care about what decisions a refree made. you should be able to defeat a third class team comfortably and not leave it up to the referees, who can make mistakes.
After conceding that second or even third goal, I would expect a professional team led by a competent manager to be able to keep their calm and get the goals needed to win the game. If Skibbe was able to have some BASIC control over his team, all that happened on Sunday would have been avoided.
One of the big selling points the board had about Skibbe was that he was good with youngsters and would develop our raw talent. So much for that. Not one of our kids have shown ANY improvement since Skibbe arrived. If Arda can’t manage to survive matches against Eskisehir, then he better forget about England, Spain, Italy, and all the other top leagues.
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Bulent was not a disaster as a coach. He was a success at Erciyes, and the Bursa board had no patience for him. And Im not gonna even begin arguing over Hakan.
The problem is that while we were winning, we never comfortably beat anyone. Kocaeli is a team we should have won 4-1 by the end of the first half. But it took 75 min to get ahead. Trabzon was won by sheer luck, Olympiakos could have gotten the tie.
I expect a lot more from this team filled with stars. If Skibbe can’t handle the “pressure” of defeating Eskisehir and Antalya, he can’t stay in charge. Success in Europe? Apparently you need to watch more European football. With this defense, we have no chance of making it to the final.
You misunderstood me on Nonda. I wanted Umit Karan or Yaser Yildiz to play in Lincoln’s place.
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Whihc league do you follow, Bulent has been fired from almost every job he has. And what games do you watch, Trabzon was won by luck my ass, GS played extremely well closed them down so much they resorted to Song playing at centre forward, luck had nothing to do with it. And as for idiots surrounding the referee of course they will do that when the linesman flags for offside but a goal is given. And by the way the referee can decide games and by the way Eskisehir looked anything but a third rate team as you call them. If you care about Turkish football in general and the state of the National Team you would actually welcome the appearance of teams who can challenge the traditional elite. But all you do is criticise, last season Feldkampf who finished off the repair work started by Gerets after the double disasters of Terim and Hagi two GS legends. This season Skibbe. I mean when will you be satisfied, I guess when Hakan Sukur is manager and somehow GS wins 20 championships on the run with a perfect record of wins against inferior thoird rate teams and no goals scored against. And you wonder why supporters of other SuperLig Teams dislike supporters of the big 4.
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the only people who support anatolian teams are people from that region. people from samsun aren’t going to support antep. galatasaray and other teams, regardless of what country, should win against lower ranked newly promoted teams. galatasaray won by luck in the olympiacos game, i mean that last second header almost went in and they had many other chances. trabzon though was not won by luck galatasaray were schooling them and they had no chance of winning throughout. the reason why their idiots is because umit karan, obviously felt the ball being deflected the linesman cant see through 5 people but the ref was at an angle to see the deflection so thats why he ruled it as a goal, that was retarded and 5 players and the team received unnecessary fines. and as far as national team goes, the only player i can think of that represented turkey in euro 2008 that was from a anatolian team was tolga who is a 3rd string goalie who didn’t get any playing time. yeah there are players that come from anatolian teams such as emre gungor, or hakan balta, but they’re at their best at galatasaray. skibbe is getting a lot of blame but he deserves it, i can garauntee you that his players didn’t take this game seriously because he didn’t. fatih terim had a bad season because his team wasn’t what he wanted it to be, the reason we won the uefa cup was because the president actually listened to terim and built an all star team of basically all turks but in 05, the president didn’t listen and galatasaray did bad. if it was fatih terim in that locker room before that game i can tell you now galatasaray wouldn’t have gone out with that mind set. you rag on bulent on a terrible coaching career, you have keep in mind no one does good their first years, and bulent doesn’t need to come in and take over skibbe’s position immediately as that would just be worse. fatih terim won’t come and will not come until WC2012 or until turkey don’t qualify.
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Gulay: Your just showing your lack of knowledge of Turkish football by claiming that Bulent has been fired from his jobs. He resigned after Erciys because he decided to coach a first league team. He resigned from Bursa cuz the team was extremely lucky, if you watched those matches you would know.
The Trabzon match was going in Trabzon’s favor until Arda’s lucky goal and Servet’s blatant handball. I wonder what would have happened if we didnt get those.
The linesman dosent make decisions, the ref does. If the ref dosent agree with the linesman, you have to accept it and not argue and curse and push him around for 4 minutes straight. Too bad Skibbe didn’t teach them that.
Eskisehir is a third-rate team. There total value is 24,800,000 Euros ours is 116,000,000. However if an outsider watched the match he’d think that the black-red team was Galatasaray. As Utku said, it was not only the players who didnt take Eskisehir(and Antalya and Bursa) seriuosly, it was Skibbe as well. If a team of this quality cannot easily defeat a newly promoted side, I will crticize them and the idiot whos allowing them to be defeated.
I will be happy with Galatasaray when they start playing as they should. I don’t expect them to win every match, but I do expect them to play to the best of their abilities, it’s what they’re being paid to do. If Skibbe can manage this, I won’t have any problems with him. But he’s gotta make big changes and quickly learn the league.
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Now allow me to ask you a quesion: Who do you feel should come and take over the job of Man United boss when Ferguson retires?
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Roberto Mancini
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But would the United fans welcome him? Of course not. Why? Because he’s Italian and doesn’t understand what it means to be part of United.
That’s why Galatasaray needs a Turkish manager now, someone who played for us.
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Jose Murinho – to Man U
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But would the United fans welcome him? Of course not. Why? Because he’s Portuguese and the ex-Chelsea manager and doesn’t understand what it means to be part of United.
That’s why Galatasaray needs a Turkish manager now, someone who played for us.
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Bulent wont return as long as Adnan polat is president, they dont get along at all, and the fact that Bulents departure from the club wasn´t the best. If u ask me a big NO to bulent, I rather go with Suat, I support a coach who knows the team and the turkish leauge. I say keep skibbe until Tugay Kerimoglu returns, he is the coah that will make us the best team in the world =) simply we need some “laz” abilitys that Tugy kan give us.
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I also support Tolunay Kafkas, he also has those usefull “laz” abilitys, and we should also select Adurahman albayrak as president =)
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very decent bolgs going on i have get deep knowldge about this topic so kep it up and carry on
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Musab,
You state I don’t know about Turkish football. What do you actually know. Do you remember when we won the UEFA Cup in 2000 and do you remember the era of Souness, Saunders, Friedel et al like I do as I ran Cheers in Levent, whihc I assume you know where it is, where they used to go drinking after matches, I even met Ruud Gullit when AC Milan were in town one time. I watch every game on LIgTV on the internet here in the US, do you? Did you watch TS Hacetepe today for example, I did. Bulent was a great captain and the brother of a fine player as well, but he has not been a good coach until now.
So Eskisehir beat us, Its not the end of the world, this happens you just have to be mature enough to deal with it which I don’t think you are.
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